2008-01-13 07:50:25H20
NWA-DELTA 西北 達美航空
>>> UPDATED: 02/19/2008
每次兩間大間公司要合併時, 總是為了 錢 跟 地位 (seniority)
吵的沒完沒了. 還記得當年加拿大國際航空(CP) 和 加航 (AC)
也是演出一樣的把戲....
而且 機師一定是最不讓步和吵的最兇的那群人
在北美的生態環境中, 只要你換到別家, 你的seniority
就是從新計算了. 也就是說, 之前的職等是機長, 你到了新公司
就是從底層的副機長幹起. 遇到有SO制度的公司, 就是從SO做起.
AP
Officials: Delta-Northwest Deal at Risk
Wednesday February 20, 12:54 am ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer
Officials: Delta-Northwest Combination Deal in Jeopardy Because of Pilots’ Impasse
ATLANTA (AP) -- An impasse among pilot negotiators over blending seniority lists put a $20 billion deal to combine Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. in ”serious jeopardy” as the boards of the two companies prepared to meet Wednesday, two people close to talks told The Associated Press.
The people said the pilots unions have agreed on a comprehensive joint contract, but they are unable to agree to how seniority for the 12,000 pilots would work under a combined carrier. The people asked not to be named because of the sensitive stage of the talks.
They said late Tuesday that the pilot talks were expected to continue Wednesday, but if no agreement is reached, a deal on a combination of the two airlines would be in real trouble.
The boards of both companies were expected to vote on a combination agreement Wednesday if a pilot deal is in place by then. Otherwise, they were expected to just get an update on the merger talks, three people close to the talks said.
One of the officials close to the talks said Northwest’s board might only meet by teleconference or, if things fall apart, not meet at all.
A Delta spokeswoman declined to comment on consolidation issues involving Delta. Delta has previously said it was considering a possible consolidation transaction, but it has not commented beyond that.
Talk of airline consolidation has heightened in recent months amid persistently high fuel prices, which are eating away at the industry’s bottom line.
A combination of Atlanta-based Delta and Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest would create the world’s largest airline in terms of traffic. That’s before any divestitures regulators might require them to make if they combine.
There also has been speculation about a possible combination of Chicago-based UAL Corp.’s United Airlines and Houston-based Continental Airlines Inc., which would be a bigger airline than Delta-Northwest in terms of traffic.
The clock is ticking to get any deals accomplished quickly, some observers say. That’s because industry observers believe a combination has a better chance of surmounting the considerable political and regulatory hurdles under the current administration than under President Bush’s successor.
Delta and Northwest don’t need a labor agreement between their pilots unions before announcing a combination, but having one in place now could help them speed up the integration of the two carriers down the line.
One of the people close to the talks said Tuesday night that a small group of Northwest seniority list pilot negotiators want thousands of young Delta pilots to go to the bottom of the combined seniority list as part of agreeing to a deal on seniority. The person said that was a major hang-up.
A spokesman for the Northwest pilots union, Greg Rizzuto, did not immediately return a call and a page to his cell phone seeking comment.
The pilots from both companies have agreed to a significant equity stake for the pilots, including raises for some, one of the people close to the talks said. However, a second person close to the talks said it was not clear that the equity issue had been resolved.
Much of the terms of how the combined carriers would operate had been resolved as of Tuesday, two people close to the talks said. The combined carrier would be based in Atlanta, would be called Delta and Delta’s chief executive, Richard Anderson, would be head of the new company, the people said.
It remained unclear what role Northwest’s CEO, Doug Steenland, would play in the combined carrier, the people said. A combined Delta-Northwest would maintain a substantial presence in Minneapolis and there would be no furloughs for front-line U.S. employees, the people said. The two airlines have roughly 85,000 total employees.
Associated Press Writer Chris Williams in Minneapolis and AP Business Writer Dave Carpenter in Chicago contributed to this report.
<<<<<<<<<<< SPACE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
With high fuel and labor cost, there is not enough room to sustain
with health if more than 3 or 4 major/tier 1 carriers are competing
against each other in US.
The future should look like this:
AA
UA
CO
NWA/DL
NWA and DL shall fold together. Perhaps CO should join the party.
It is easy to figure out, because USAir was already folded in
another carrier.
SouthWest runs its own league.
美國國內已經有太多各種價位大大小小航空公司了!!!
Northwest CEO Addresses Merger Rumors
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080112/airline_consolidation_northwest.html
Saturday January 12, 1:24 pm ET
By Steve Karnowski, Associated Press Writer
Amid Delta Discussions, Northwest CEO Suggests the Right Merger Deal Could Be Beneficial
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- The chief executive of Northwest Airlines says his carrier could benefit from a merger -- if it’s the right deal.
As the Delta Air Lines Inc. board met to discuss the issue, Northwest Airlines Corp. chief Doug Steenland sent an internal memo to employees Friday saying his airline’s board and management team would analyze any deal carefully.
”Most importantly, we will carefully consider the impacts on our own employees and ensure that the outstanding employees of Northwest Airlines are included in this process,” he wrote. ”The right transaction could be of benefit to our employees, our shareholders and the communities we serve.”
Steenland didn’t say whether Delta had approached Northwest.
Delta officials were mum on the outcome of that company’s board meeting Friday.
According to two people familiar with the situation, Delta’s board was expected to be asked to allow formal talks between Delta and Northwest and UAL Corp.’s United Airlines, with the idea that Delta would ultimately choose to combine with one of the two. The people spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.
Steenland said Northwest, which emerged from Chapter 11 bankruptcy in May, is better positioned than most of its competitors to run profitably. But he said fuel price increases have run above the carrier’s projections, making it harder to maintain the same level of profitability and reinvest profits.
And he warned that Northwest, based in suburban Eagan, can’t control or predict what other carriers or airline shareholders might do.
”Doing nothing could be our worst alternative,” he said. ”If we wait to react to what others do we could be left with options that are undesirable or with no options at all.
”You can be sure that we are giving this very important issue the serious attention it deserves -- and that we will weigh carefully the strategic implications of each course of action available,” he wrote.
Steenland also said in his memo that Northwest management would continue its policy of not commenting on rumors or speculation about talks with other airlines.
Associated Press writer Harry R. Weber in Atlanta contributed to this report.
Northwest: http://www.nwa.com/
Delta: http://www.delta.com/
每次兩間大間公司要合併時, 總是為了 錢 跟 地位 (seniority)
吵的沒完沒了. 還記得當年加拿大國際航空(CP) 和 加航 (AC)
也是演出一樣的把戲....
而且 機師一定是最不讓步和吵的最兇的那群人
在北美的生態環境中, 只要你換到別家, 你的seniority
就是從新計算了. 也就是說, 之前的職等是機長, 你到了新公司
就是從底層的副機長幹起. 遇到有SO制度的公司, 就是從SO做起.
AP
Officials: Delta-Northwest Deal at Risk
Wednesday February 20, 12:54 am ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer
Officials: Delta-Northwest Combination Deal in Jeopardy Because of Pilots’ Impasse
ATLANTA (AP) -- An impasse among pilot negotiators over blending seniority lists put a $20 billion deal to combine Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. in ”serious jeopardy” as the boards of the two companies prepared to meet Wednesday, two people close to talks told The Associated Press.
The people said the pilots unions have agreed on a comprehensive joint contract, but they are unable to agree to how seniority for the 12,000 pilots would work under a combined carrier. The people asked not to be named because of the sensitive stage of the talks.
They said late Tuesday that the pilot talks were expected to continue Wednesday, but if no agreement is reached, a deal on a combination of the two airlines would be in real trouble.
The boards of both companies were expected to vote on a combination agreement Wednesday if a pilot deal is in place by then. Otherwise, they were expected to just get an update on the merger talks, three people close to the talks said.
One of the officials close to the talks said Northwest’s board might only meet by teleconference or, if things fall apart, not meet at all.
A Delta spokeswoman declined to comment on consolidation issues involving Delta. Delta has previously said it was considering a possible consolidation transaction, but it has not commented beyond that.
Talk of airline consolidation has heightened in recent months amid persistently high fuel prices, which are eating away at the industry’s bottom line.
A combination of Atlanta-based Delta and Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest would create the world’s largest airline in terms of traffic. That’s before any divestitures regulators might require them to make if they combine.
There also has been speculation about a possible combination of Chicago-based UAL Corp.’s United Airlines and Houston-based Continental Airlines Inc., which would be a bigger airline than Delta-Northwest in terms of traffic.
The clock is ticking to get any deals accomplished quickly, some observers say. That’s because industry observers believe a combination has a better chance of surmounting the considerable political and regulatory hurdles under the current administration than under President Bush’s successor.
Delta and Northwest don’t need a labor agreement between their pilots unions before announcing a combination, but having one in place now could help them speed up the integration of the two carriers down the line.
One of the people close to the talks said Tuesday night that a small group of Northwest seniority list pilot negotiators want thousands of young Delta pilots to go to the bottom of the combined seniority list as part of agreeing to a deal on seniority. The person said that was a major hang-up.
A spokesman for the Northwest pilots union, Greg Rizzuto, did not immediately return a call and a page to his cell phone seeking comment.
The pilots from both companies have agreed to a significant equity stake for the pilots, including raises for some, one of the people close to the talks said. However, a second person close to the talks said it was not clear that the equity issue had been resolved.
Much of the terms of how the combined carriers would operate had been resolved as of Tuesday, two people close to the talks said. The combined carrier would be based in Atlanta, would be called Delta and Delta’s chief executive, Richard Anderson, would be head of the new company, the people said.
It remained unclear what role Northwest’s CEO, Doug Steenland, would play in the combined carrier, the people said. A combined Delta-Northwest would maintain a substantial presence in Minneapolis and there would be no furloughs for front-line U.S. employees, the people said. The two airlines have roughly 85,000 total employees.
Associated Press Writer Chris Williams in Minneapolis and AP Business Writer Dave Carpenter in Chicago contributed to this report.
<<<<<<<<<<< SPACE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
With high fuel and labor cost, there is not enough room to sustain
with health if more than 3 or 4 major/tier 1 carriers are competing
against each other in US.
The future should look like this:
AA
UA
CO
NWA/DL
NWA and DL shall fold together. Perhaps CO should join the party.
It is easy to figure out, because USAir was already folded in
another carrier.
SouthWest runs its own league.
美國國內已經有太多各種價位大大小小航空公司了!!!
Northwest CEO Addresses Merger Rumors
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080112/airline_consolidation_northwest.html
Saturday January 12, 1:24 pm ET
By Steve Karnowski, Associated Press Writer
Amid Delta Discussions, Northwest CEO Suggests the Right Merger Deal Could Be Beneficial
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- The chief executive of Northwest Airlines says his carrier could benefit from a merger -- if it’s the right deal.
As the Delta Air Lines Inc. board met to discuss the issue, Northwest Airlines Corp. chief Doug Steenland sent an internal memo to employees Friday saying his airline’s board and management team would analyze any deal carefully.
”Most importantly, we will carefully consider the impacts on our own employees and ensure that the outstanding employees of Northwest Airlines are included in this process,” he wrote. ”The right transaction could be of benefit to our employees, our shareholders and the communities we serve.”
Steenland didn’t say whether Delta had approached Northwest.
Delta officials were mum on the outcome of that company’s board meeting Friday.
According to two people familiar with the situation, Delta’s board was expected to be asked to allow formal talks between Delta and Northwest and UAL Corp.’s United Airlines, with the idea that Delta would ultimately choose to combine with one of the two. The people spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.
Steenland said Northwest, which emerged from Chapter 11 bankruptcy in May, is better positioned than most of its competitors to run profitably. But he said fuel price increases have run above the carrier’s projections, making it harder to maintain the same level of profitability and reinvest profits.
And he warned that Northwest, based in suburban Eagan, can’t control or predict what other carriers or airline shareholders might do.
”Doing nothing could be our worst alternative,” he said. ”If we wait to react to what others do we could be left with options that are undesirable or with no options at all.
”You can be sure that we are giving this very important issue the serious attention it deserves -- and that we will weigh carefully the strategic implications of each course of action available,” he wrote.
Steenland also said in his memo that Northwest management would continue its policy of not commenting on rumors or speculation about talks with other airlines.
Associated Press writer Harry R. Weber in Atlanta contributed to this report.
Northwest: http://www.nwa.com/
Delta: http://www.delta.com/
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